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« on: May 23, 2008, 11:09:10 AM »
Last in line, too late. Zune for instance, now internet search. (Sort of like Polaris.)


Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:00 PM PDT

After vague statements over the last weeks about internal investments that will allow it to compete in search without Yahoo, Microsoft on Wednesday laid out more of its vision for improving on its current "underdog" position in search.

While describing some new search technologies from Microsoft and some future ideas, executives were also cautious to repeat that theirs is a long-term vision that may take a while to spell success for the company. They spoke during an annual get together for advertisers, this year hosted on Microsoft's campus in Redmond, Washington.

"I have to say, it's kind of fun to be the underdog," Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates confessed. The company has put an unusual effort toward building the team that's working on search, he said. "We've done more on this to build a great team then on any effort I can remember," he said.

Users should expect to see new features every six months from Microsoft's search group, (SURE, WHEN STUFF WON'T WORK, JUST RELEASE A NEW FEATURE) he said. "We have a long-term commitment," Gates said. The company is willing to experiment, he said.

Wednesday's launch of Cashback represents the latest new feature. When Web users search for a product on Live.com, results may feature a Cashback tag. If users end up buying a product with the tag, they'll receive money back.

Microsoft expects that the concept will create a whole new business model, though it also expects that it might take some time for it to shake up the industry. (LIKE NEVER) "We understand this is a journey. When you change the user experience or business model, it takes time to percolate through to behavior changes," said Satya Nadella, senior vice president of the search, portal and advertising platform group at Microsoft.

Gates pointed out how Cashback is different than existing search advertising methods. "In search, when you get those ads, in a sense you don't get anything back in return," he said. That compares to other media like TV or radio, where in exchange for advertisements, viewers and listeners get content.

Cashback "gives you a reason why you should use a particular search," he said.

Over 700 merchants including eBay, Barnes and Noble, Sears, Circuit City, Home Depot, Zappos.com, Overstock.com and Kmart have signed up to advertise as part of the Cashback program. "That confirms there is this opportunity for change," Gates said.

Microsoft also showed off search features in beta release based on the company's recent acquisition of Farecast. When Internet users search on Live.com (WHO USES THAT?) for flights, results will include information collected by Farecast that predict when a traveler can get the best deal on a flight. (TOO LATE AGAIN.)Microsoft has also used that technology to now offer similar information to people looking for hotel deals.

In addition, Microsoft showed off innovations it has made in video search as well. When users search for videos on Live.com, they see a page of videos and, on the right hand column, options for refining the search. They'll also see a list of other related videos that might interest them. In addition, users can hover over the video with their mouse and the video starts to play. Gates showed off the results for a video search for Tiger Woods in Live.com and compared it to a Google video result for the same topic.

"Make no mistake, we're about having the best search, the best results, so people want to use it for quality alone (THAT WOULD BE GOOGLE) but also some of these innovations in the business model will excite and drive that," Gates said.

Still, he cautioned that the software required to drive the innovations that Microsoft envisions could take many years and billions of dollars to develop, :flush:   he said.

While the effort to show off new search capabilities at Microsoft seemed to correlate with the company's recent decision to pull its acquisition offer for Yahoo, none of the executives referred to the ongoing discussions with its search rival. Neither Gates nor Nadella took questions from the conference attendees. (GOOD CHOICE.)


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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 11:16:50 AM »
Hmm. Sounds like it's already working out really well Bill.


Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:20 AM PDT

Extending its dominance in the search market, Google grew its share of queries in April at the expense of rivals Yahoo, Microsoft, AOL and Ask.com.

Google's U.S. search query share in April grew to 61.6 percent, up from 59.8 percent in March, comScore announced Thursday. Google accomplished this although the number of search queries dropped 2 percent overall in April to 10.58 billion, compared with March, comScore said.

The other four major search-engine players saw their queries and their market share drop in April, compared with March, not a great situation for them to be in, considering that search advertising accounts for about 41 percent of U.S. online advertising, according to the latest report from the Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB).

Yahoo's market share of queries dropped to 20.4 percent, and its number of queries fell 6 percent. Microsoft's market share shrunk to 9.1 percent, while its queries fell 5 percent. AOL, down to a 4.6 percent share, saw its queries drop by 6 percent. Ask.com, whose share slid to 4.3 percent, had the biggest fall in queries percentage-wise with 9 percent.

A desire to improve its position in search was a primary driver for Microsoft's now-abandoned acquisition bid for Yahoo. However, Microsoft is reportedly trying to strike a search deal with Yahoo, which is also in similar negotiations with Google. It's not clear whether Yahoo would be open to selling its search-advertising business outright or instead seek a deal to outsource part of it to Microsoft or Google.

Whatever happens, comScore's figures for April leave no doubt that Microsoft and Yahoo have resoundingly failed to slow down Google in search, and that Google remains well-positioned to use its search dominance to continue boosting its revenue and profits.

In a research note commenting on the comScore report, Citigroup analyst Mark Mahaney wrote: "As Google continues to take share, we continue to believe a deal between Yahoo and Microsoft would be necessary -- though not sufficient -- to compete effectively with Google."


Maybe Bill should focus on a low price, secure, non-memory and resource hogging, intuitive desktop operating system.


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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 12:28:28 PM »
All I got to say about this whole search fiasco... I cannot wait until Google comes online with an auction block to rival eBay.

I find eBay is the best at funneling folks to unique items. BUT, their recent policy changes tying Detailed Seller Ratings to search status and power seller discounts will sink them or change the face of eBay sales... For example, I charge only a flat shipping cost, send it out the same or following day of payment, customers go on and on about great shipping... Yet I sit with a shipping DSR of 4.8, I am now 1 tick away from losing "raised search status!" Also causing power seller sataus to be unattainable and therefore no discount final value fees.

My solution... F-em! I'm quitting the auctions altogether and will price things myself in a rolling storefront, then I'm rasing my shipping costs to recoupe lost power seller discounts and saying, "to hell with DSR!" What I sell on eBay is unique enough that my items will still be found through searches... Further, I will no longer leave feedback for buyers because the only feedback I can provide is positive feedback, nuetral and negative ratings are no longer available!

It's going to suck being a buyer on eBay going forward, most sellers have already adopted the policies I mentioned above... The next thing I'm working on is adding discounts to folks who pay with M.O. or C.C., paypal is a fugging scam pegging folks into $500/mo recieving limits, especially since most pay with Instant Transfers, it's nothing but pure profit for paypal!

This search business is getting out of hand... Everyday I watch the eBay listing numbers go down while other sites are going up, I just haven't found a way to jump ship yet.

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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 12:33:00 PM »
You really must just despise MS.  I have no issues with Vista and it works actually better than my corporate XP laptop.  Just run out and show me a desktop OS that works as well and is as easy to use for the same price or cheaper..quick, there isn't one.  MAC's are significantly more expensive, Linux desktop is a joke.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 01:57:57 PM »
PCLinux. $5.99 for a disk or free if you download it yourself. Look at the savings to a business or school. NO LICENSE FOR EVERY SEAT.

I started with 98SE and didn't realize how unstable it was because I never used anything else. Until........I found a sweet deal on a new ME machine. Talk about wasted time trying to do simple tasks. Hours and hours that I'll never get back.

I though I would cut my losses there but was duped into XP with another DELL deal, thinking XP would be low maintenance. Wrong.

There are better values out there, such as Open Office, Thunderbird, Firefox etc. I can get along fine without Office 2009 or whatever there pushing now.


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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 06:26:49 PM »
linux is certainly cheap that's for sure and I like linux a lot, but mostly for server apps...  but for average joe user the desktop OS just plain sucks...
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 06:47:00 PM »
Tech support:  Hello, what seems to be the problem?

Stupid user:  Hi!, my pc is telling is flashing a message that a file system failed to mount and some other symbols after that.

Tech support:  Oh, I see, you need to change your mount points by editing your config file in the /var/usr/bin.  Simple fix.  

Stupid User:  What's a mount point?

Tech support:  Its how the drive gets mounted from the root file system, if you open up the...

Stupid User:  Hey mister, I don't think I have the right number, I'm not mounting anything.  What kind of tech support do you provide around here?

Tech support:  Just do it. Read about it in the Man Pages.  

Stupid User:  That's it your people are a bunch sickos, I'm gonna get a Mac.

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 06:49:27 PM »
just get used to stuff like this:

Simple way:
if [ $(rpm -q kernel | wc -l) -gt 1 ]; then rpm -e $(rpm -q kernel | sed ‘$d’); fi
if [ $(rpm -q kernel-smp | wc -l) -gt 1 ]; then rpm -e $(rpm -q kernel-smp | sed ‘$d’); fi

Don't get me wrong.  I like Linux and use it alot.  I'm sure that as we trend more towards centralized computing the idea of a desktop OS will change radically.  When this happens, MS and Apple are kind of screwed.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2008, 06:57:23 PM by Kingpin »
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