Toyota Black Box Tests Show Driver Error Caused Crashes

[OsceolaCabin]

Man you really grind that axe for the gm corp executives dont ya?  Do you adore the toylet execs or ???  lol.

FYI, your toylet is damn near worthless resale, at least the gen 1 peeus, due to 5600 battery jobs.........according to a friend of mine who works sales at a large used car corral not far from here.  No one wants 'em, not even the geeks.   

Way better off with a tdi, or other ultra compact non-hybrid.  You'll see.   

I know who OC referrs to as "ignorant".  LMAO.  Toyota consumers.   

LMMFAO AJ, it'a any corporate executives that put profits before "sound business practice".  Write your GovernmentMotors about that Aveo they import, or about the upcomming IPO...we both hold stock already right? 

Thought about you on the way back this afternoon AmericanJester, passing the Motts plant.  Union workers striking because yet another AMERICAN corporation can not honor a contract, pay for a skilled workforce.  They've been on strike for over two months, while the coporate executives are attempting to ram a wage reduction based on "area" rate.  What made me think of you, that big inflatabe rat...

Prius resale is OK, not the premium of two years ago.  But two things are a fact, gas will continue to rise and AJ will continue to mark out to the Prius...PriusEnvy would be a good handle for you...

[OsceolaCabin]

 

My grandfather was just telling me how he had a 51 chevy that got over 30 mpg and he ran that one over 100k miles.  He paid $300 for it.   

Hook, line and sinker...

[SatanClaw]

My grandfather was just telling me how he had a 51 chevy that got over 30 mpg and he ran that one over 100k miles.  He paid $300 for it.   

How many thousands of gallons of fuel did that thing to ?

Not to mention how many gallons of oil did it use in it's last 50 000 miles..

Personally I think the old US car manufacturers cut a deal with the oil industry to make cars that used as much oil an fuel as possible.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

Man you really grind that axe for the gm corp executives dont ya?  Do you adore the toylet execs or ???  lol.

FYI, your toylet is damn near worthless resale, at least the gen 1 peeus, due to 5600 battery jobs.........according to a friend of mine who works sales at a large used car corral not far from here.  No one wants 'em, not even the geeks.   

Way better off with a tdi, or other ultra compact non-hybrid.  You'll see.   

I know who OC referrs to as "ignorant".  LMAO.  Toyota consumers.   

LMMFAO AJ, it'a any corporate executives that put profits before "sound business practice".  Write your GovernmentMotors about that Aveo they import, or about the upcomming IPO...we both hold stock already right? 

Thought about you on the way back this afternoon AmericanJester, passing the Motts plant.  Union workers striking because yet another AMERICAN corporation can not honor a contract, pay for a skilled workforce.  They've been on strike for over two months, while the coporate executives are attempting to ram a wage reduction based on "area" rate.  What made me think of you, that big inflatabe rat...

Prius resale is OK, not the premium of two years ago.  But two things are a fact, gas will continue to rise and AJ will continue to mark out to the Prius...PriusEnvy would be a good handle for you...

Ok.  You dont get it.  I'm fine with that.  If you owned a business making widgets, under union contract, and folks were buying widgets from over seas for less, You might get it.   Or, maybe you would blame yourself for poor business practice because you had to build a plant over seasea to compete or even survive.  You surely would not promote support US biz tho would ya?   

I have no doubt your a badass in that peeus.   

[AdrenalineJunkie]

AJ... What are you going to call the folks who spill out $41,000 for a reshaped golf cart?

Peeus as chitty as I think it is, is almost HALF the cost of the volturd... The Peeus too gets tax a tax break.

I'm just saying, if anyone is not in synch with consumer needs it's Government Motors. I have a 1999 Grand Cherokee that I bought for a song and a dance compared to sticker price, it doesn't surprise me one bit that nobody would want a first generation 1997 Peeus.

The volt is basically a stage two hybrid is it not?  Runs on batts with gas backup?  41k is too much.  How do you save any money with that?  Right now any hybrid is too big a price to pay for the mpg they get. You can readily get puddle jumpers that get 40mpg for thousands less.  Some folk spend a buck to save a nickel. 

My grandfather was just telling me how he had a 51 chevy that got over 30 mpg and he ran that one over 100k miles.  He paid $300 for it.   

Your grandfather liked bullshitting you 

Think so?   not.   He donates 70% of his income to build churches around the world.  The guy has also donated much of his time throughout his life to many churches in n>h> and canada. He was also a cemetary care keeper for decades where he kept all the equipment in running and tuned condition.  He is 89, healthy, and a saint imo.  Many stories that I enjoy to hear.  Sound like a bs 'r to you?   

Just saying.... a 1950's Chevy is alot of steel. Might be around 6000 pounds ish??? Pushing that beast around, you'd be lucky to get 10 MPG, than again gas was like .10 cents a gallon back then, so no one really gave a crap..... 

Glad you still have him around  !! I lost my GP's 20+ years ago.. 

GB...A 51 chevy weighs just over 3k lbs.  The blue flame 216" 6 cyl is a low revver making about 90hp.  I believe you may be under a misconception........the late 50's and 60's~70's cars were large and heavy.  The model T with its free breathing flathead 4cyl, was excellent on gas and was a lightweight auto.  My dad had one when I was a kid and I used to drive it.  Column mounted ign timing, tranny band brake.  Foot pedal reverse.  Crank start.  Oh yeah.  We also had a 29 desoto presidential car, and a 48 chrysler royal.  Great back seats in these....
Just sayin', as this has no point.   

[snopork]

AJ... What are you going to call the folks who spill out $41,000 for a reshaped golf cart?

Peeus as chitty as I think it is, is almost HALF the cost of the volturd... The Peeus too gets tax a tax break.

I'm just saying, if anyone is not in synch with consumer needs it's Government Motors. I have a 1999 Grand Cherokee that I bought for a song and a dance compared to sticker price, it doesn't surprise me one bit that nobody would want a first generation 1997 Peeus.

The volt is basically a stage two hybrid is it not?  Runs on batts with gas backup?  41k is too much.  How do you save any money with that?  Right now any hybrid is too big a price to pay for the mpg they get. You can readily get puddle jumpers that get 40mpg for thousands less.  Some folk spend a buck to save a nickel. 

My grandfather was just telling me how he had a 51 chevy that got over 30 mpg and he ran that one over 100k miles.  He paid $300 for it.   

Your grandfather liked bullshitting you 

Think so?   not.   He donates 70% of his income to build churches around the world.  The guy has also donated much of his time throughout his life to many churches in n>h> and canada. He was also a cemetary care keeper for decades where he kept all the equipment in running and tuned condition.  He is 89, healthy, and a saint imo.  Many stories that I enjoy to hear.  Sound like a bs 'r to you?   

Just saying.... a 1950's Chevy is alot of steel. Might be around 6000 pounds ish??? Pushing that beast around, you'd be lucky to get 10 MPG, than again gas was like .10 cents a gallon back then, so no one really gave a crap..... 

Glad you still have him around  !! I lost my GP's 20+ years ago.. 

GB...A 51 chevy weighs just over 3k lbs.  The blue flame 216" 6 cyl is a low revver making about 90hp.  I believe you may be under a misconception........the late 50's and 60's~70's cars were large and heavy.  The model T with its free breathing flathead 4cyl, was excellent on gas and was a lightweight auto.  My dad had one when I was a kid and I used to drive it.  Column mounted ign timing, tranny band brake.  Foot pedal reverse.  Crank start.  Oh yeah.  We also had a 29 desoto presidential car, and a 48 chrysler royal.  Great back seats in these....
Just sayin', as this has no point.   

blue flame 6 was the first motor in the corvette also

[OsceolaCabin]

Ok.  You dont get it.  I'm fine with that.  If you owned a business making widgets, under union contract, and folks were buying widgets from over seas for less, You might get it.   Or, maybe you would blame yourself for poor business practice because you had to build a plant over seasea to compete or even survive.  You surely would not promote support US biz tho would ya?   

Ohhh I get it, unlike some I've been around the block a number of times.  Every auto plant I ever walked in, I looked and looked and looked around for the $50 an hour employee holding up a broom.  Every union shop, searched for that millionaire in the corner taking a nap.  I was unsuccessful in those endeavors, but did find many white collar jobbers that where clueless and cashing six figure checks...quarterly bonus incentives.  Manufacturing built this country, not a bean counter with another "efficiency" gimmick.

Take Motts for example, union breaking is all that is going on.  Either take the "prevaling" wage "others" are making or your not bargining in good faith?  If everyone followed like a sheep like you, we would all be making minimum wage.

Your a good Monday morning quarterback, the back up...but your not a starter.  You lack experience on the field, niave and tote a company line...

[Kingpin]

I don't despise the guy doing the work at all, but the union leadership, same for the leadership in the company.  Both are at fault usually, in my limited experience.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

Ok.  You dont get it.  I'm fine with that.  If you owned a business making widgets, under union contract, and folks were buying widgets from over seas for less, You might get it.   Or, maybe you would blame yourself for poor business practice because you had to build a plant over seasea to compete or even survive.  You surely would not promote support US biz tho would ya?   

Ohhh I get it, unlike some I've been around the block a number of times.  Every auto plant I ever walked in, I looked and looked and looked around for the $50 an hour employee holding up a broom.  Every union shop, searched for that millionaire in the corner taking a nap.  I was unsuccessful in those endeavors, but did find many white collar jobbers that where clueless and cashing six figure checks...quarterly bonus incentives.  Manufacturing built this country, not a bean counter with another "efficiency" gimmick.

Take Motts for example, union breaking is all that is going on.  Either take the "prevaling" wage "others" are making or your not bargining in good faith?  If everyone followed like a sheep like you, we would all be making minimum wage.....As opposed to half unemployed, and half making too much.

Your a good Monday morning quarterback, the back up...but your not a starter.  You lack experience on the field, niave and tote a company line...

TF.  You Sound bitter.  Were you the wanting guy holding a broom @ $50/hour?  Then you blame the company because they put "clueless execs" in charge?.     The disgruntled worker who never got the big promotion?     For this you have no loyalty to US corps.  I have always been in management so I cannot feel for ya.  Sorry.   

[OsceolaCabin]

TF.  You Sound bitter.  Were you the wanting guy holding a broom @ $50/hour?  Then you blame the company because they put "clueless execs" in charge?.     The disgruntled worker who never got the big promotion?     For this you have no loyalty to US corps.  I have always been in management so I cannot feel for ya.  Sorry.   

LMMFAO biter...

The AmericanJester in management, LMAO what more do I have to say...your the poster child.  What did you manage BTW? 

I have plenty of loyalty to US corporations, stock holder in GovernmentMotors and Chrysler...various banking insititutions (please tell me your stance on these crooks).  The first wave of incentives, bailouts, whatever you want to call them...should have gone to spur business growth and new technology.  The economy grows on manufacturing, not a service industry.

[thnksno]

The economy grows on manufacturing, not a service industry.

That's ALL we've got left... Scratching each others backs. lol!

Seriously, we are so f'd and nobody wants to admit this failure. But it's there, example: NO fundamentals in the market, it rallies on information that's 'revised down' before the next indicator comes out that says nobody knows what the fuk is going on. It's been fun shooting holes through the hype and so far it hasn't been a losing position.

[OsceolaCabin]

Hey AJ, where did you go?  Was it your dear GovernmentMotors defense of the Volt? 

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100804gm_defends_volts_41000_price_tag/srvc=home&position=also

Or another once great American company built by the American workers union busting?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100804/ap_on_bi_ge/us_harley_milwaukee_breakup

Take off yer blinders...

BTW what was it that you managed?  It has me wondering if it was the skillets at the BK...

[Edge'n It]

The new '11 Ford Explorer doesn't look too bad.   EPA rating 19/28.

Looking at the specs closer, I see the ecoboost is only available in the FWD model.  If you want AWD your not going to get the ecoboost, but the V6.

[Paul_Aris]

The Volt is just a step in the right direction. Not a perfect car for many. But who cares about that when they are introducing the Cruze. Looks to be a fast sporty 4 door sedan that gets 40 MPG on 87 pump gas.

http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/cruze.do

[AdrenalineJunky]

Oc...did ya miss me?  lol.   
I had a busy week.   Managing...ya know?   

  The volt?  Too much dough.   Batt technology not good enough yet imo.  If they can make a sedan thats electric and go say 100 miles on a charge and priced right, they will sell to folks who commute.  I think most commutes are 50 miles or less so...... I guess the next issue it how much to plug in at home?  what will the price be to hook up at parking garages etc?