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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2009, 07:43:05 PM »
isn't the political stuff sposed to go to the political section?  of course , we know wack jobs lose trackof these simple rules.

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2009, 08:23:50 PM »
isn't the political stuff sposed to go to the political section?  of course , we know wack jobs lose trackof these simple rules.

  :laugh-til-cry::mf_laughbounce2: :jump: :mf_laughbounce2: :jump: :laugh-til-cry:

What?  You used up that one original thought?


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"The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities."

Massive inflation looms over all of us, but Democrats just keep smiling and giving each other high-fives while Obama cranks out funny money like a counterfeiter on speed.

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2009, 07:58:54 AM »
Your getting closer - no cut'n paste -  a touch of original thought

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2009, 06:13:03 PM »
Your getting closer - no cut'n paste -  a touch of original thought

Defining Green (and Meaningful Net) Jobs

The rush to save the American economy through the creation of so-called “green jobs” has started to spur research into whether the silver (or shall we say ‘green’) bullet really exists according to its promoters.
 
Recently, long-time Member of the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Kit Bond (R-MO), issued a report detailing aspects of green jobs creation that are getting increasing scrutiny: 1) Inescapable and expensive taxpayer subsidy requirements; 2) Documented low wages, and 3) Tradeoffs in the form of lost jobs to pay for creating green jobs.  

The Bond report is sobering to say the least. Two high profile environmental group programs, the New Apollo Program, promoted by the Apollo Alliance, and the Green Recovery Program, by the Center for American Progress, would, at a cost of $500 billion and $100 billion respectively, create 5 million and 2 million jobs. That works out to a program (read taxpayer) cost of $100,000 and $50,000 per job, respectively.

But what kind of jobs do Americans get with highly subsidized “green jobs?”
Some of the richest incentives documented resulted in lower wage jobs than the green marketing campaigns would suggest. For instance, the Bond report outlines three troubling examples:
Solaicx, Portland, Oregon – manufactures silicon ingots and wafers for photovoltaic applications and, after receiving $21.5 million in state and local subsidies to expand its plant and create 66 new jobs ($325,758 per job subsidy), workers are paid only $13.00 per hour.
 
United Solar Ovonic, Battle Creek, Michigan – makes thin film flexible photovoltaic laminates used in the solar industry. According to the report, the company got $96.9 million in subsidies (the company press release said $120 million) at a subsidy of $276,857 per job. Worker pay: $14.00 per hour.
 
Suniva, Norcross, Georgia – a manufacturer of crystalline silicon photovoltaic cells for the solar industry garnered $10 million in incentives to create an estimated 100 jobs when fully operational. That’s $100,000 per job. No word about worker pay rates at Sunvia, but you get the picture.
The same experience has been true in Europe where studies in Spain and Germany have shown the these type of huge taxpayer subsidies are needed to produce “green jobs.” Bond points out that “A study of heavy German subsidies for the solar industry revealed that ‘it is quite doubtful whether [the solar subsidies] net employment effects are positive at all.’” German taxpayers sunk 7.2 billion euros (or $281,000) per job subsidy to create 35,000 jobs. In Spain, taxpayers paid $37 billion to sustain 50,200 jobs in wind, mini-hydro and solar programs at a cost of over $700,000 per job. Whew!

Now the federal poverty wage for a family of four is $10.19 per hour.
The Bond report looks at various green sector jobs such as carpenters, roofers, painters and laborers where it appears that a majority of these workers make less than $12.50 per hour and a third make less than the federal poverty wage. Bond compares this to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics pointing to the average hourly earnings of a manufacturing worker being $18.00 per hour.
 
Lastly, the Bond report looks at the emerging data that the creation of green jobs is being increasingly seen as a big contributor to lost jobs due to higher energy costs and lost investment.
 
The report indicates that, “Comparisons of wind, solar, nuclear natural gas and coal sources of power coming on line by 2015 show that solar power will be 173% more expensive per unit of energy delivered than traditional coal power, 140% more than nuclear and natural gas and 92% more expensive than wind power. Wind power is 42% more expensive than nuclear and natural gas power.”
 
Recent proposals before Congress and potentially driven by EPA regulatory activity directed at the U.S. power industry could dramatically drive up the cost of energy resulting in lost jobs. The Bond report highlights include:

 
Selected Estimated State Job Losses Under Proposed Climate Change Legislation
STATE   JOB LOSS   STATE   JOB LOSS Ohio   143,000   Michigan   121,800
Pennsylvania   139,000   Illinois   156,900
Indiana   78,600   Louisiana   61,100
Missouri   76,100   Arkansas   39,600
Tennessee   80,400   Kentucky   54,700
Nebraska   25,100   West Virginia   27,200


The report continues, “With just about every consumer product requiring energy at some point in its production, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimated that the legislation the Senate debated (last year) would by 2050 annually cost the average U.S. household $4,377 and raise gasoline prices by $1.40 per gallon. EPA projected that electricity prices would increase 44% by 2030.” While the debate rages over how to (or whether we can) meaningfully address changes in the earth’s climate, most would agree that this year’s draft legislation, originally introduced by Congressmen Waxman and Markey, is more costly as introduced than last year’s Lieberman-Warner proposal. The latest House draft that came out this week still may be more costly than anything that could survive in the Senate.
 
One should reflect on all of this in light of a recently-released internal OMB memo that questions the scientific objectivity of the recent EPA CO2 Endangerment Finding. The OMB memo points out that the decision to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant under the Clean Air Act “is likely to have serious consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities.” Further, the document states, “The finding rests heavily on the precautionary principle, but the amount of acknowledged lack of understanding about basic facts surrounding GHGs seem to stretch the precautionary principle to providing for regulation in the face of unprecedented uncertainty.” Ouch! The rest of the memo gets better – no wonder the Administration is spending lots of time tearing this one down.
 
OMB is the watchdog of the federal agencies. Before Congress and its leaders lead the American taxpayer headlong into an unsustainable spending spree to shore up the dubious economics of the renewable programs they are promoting, it needs to pay attention to the details of such far reaching government actions that can have a real and devastating impact on the economic circumstances of the American public.

Greg Schnacke
President & CEO
Americans for American Energy
gschnacke@americansforamericanenergy.org


More of that Hope and Change thing we got going for us...thanks Obamanites. :c-n:
"The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities."

Massive inflation looms over all of us, but Democrats just keep smiling and giving each other high-fives while Obama cranks out funny money like a counterfeiter on speed.

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2009, 05:23:53 PM »
Need for Speed (Read) to Pass Climate Bill
By IAN TALLEY

WASHINGTON -- Democrats in the House Energy and Commerce Committee have taken a novel precaution to head off Republican efforts to slow action this week on a sweeping climate bill. They are hiring a speed reader.

Republicans on the committee have said they may force the reading of the entire 946-page bill -- as well as major amendments that measure several hundred pages -- all aloud. This is a procedure lawmakers have a right to invoke. Republicans are largely against the bill, which aims to cut emissions of so-called greenhouse gases by more than 80% over the next half-century but would be costly.

Republicans haven't tried the tactic, but Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) is prepared.

A committee spokeswoman said the speed reader -- a young man who was on door duty at the hearing as he awaited a call to the microphone -- was hired to help staffers. After years of practice, the panel's clerks can read at a good clip. But the speed reader is a lot faster, she said.

"Judging by the size of the amendments, I can read a page about every 34 seconds," said the newly hired staff assistant, who declined to give his name. Based on that estimate, it would take him about nine hours.

It took the committee more than two hours Tuesday to debate and vote on the first proposed amendment. By the time Capitol Hill interns finally left for tacos and happy-hour drinks at the local Mexican restaurant, the panel had approved just three amendments. Among them was a proposal to give government subsidies to people who trade in old cars or trucks for new, more efficient ones.

Mr. Waxman has said he still hopes to finish the bill by Thursday, meeting his goal of moving the climate bill out of committee by Memorial Day.

"He's dreaming. It ain't going to happen," said Texas Rep. Joe Barton, the panel's ranking Republican. He added that Republicans "have 400 amendments that we could offer, but there are at least 75-80 that we almost have to offer."


Gotta Love that CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN! :c-n:

But WAIT!! There is MORE...

Buried in Waxman-Markey
By Paul Chesser on 5.20.09

Discovered by our friends at American Energy Alliance, on Page 781:

Title IV, Subtitle B, Part 2, Section 426, of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, states: An eligible worker (specifically, workers who lose their jobs as a result of this measure) may receive a climate change adjustment allowance under this subsection for a period of not longer than 156 weeks…80 percent of the monthly premium of any health insurance coverage…up to a maximum payment of $1,500 in relocation allowance…and job search expenses not exceed[ing] $1,500.

Who's left to pay for all of these new Handouts EVERY SINGLE PHAQ'N DAY? :c-n:
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"The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities."

Massive inflation looms over all of us, but Democrats just keep smiling and giving each other high-fives while Obama cranks out funny money like a counterfeiter on speed.

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2009, 02:37:35 AM »
                The environment are friendly.


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« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2009, 10:53:35 AM »
                The environment are friendly.


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