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Welcome to GREEN HELL
« on: April 06, 2009, 08:56:51 PM »
April 6th, 2009 5:21 PM Eastern

Color Your Future Green: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life

By Steve Milloy
Publisher, JunkScience.com/Author, “Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them”


Move over red, white, and blue­, America is going green. Green energy. Green technology. Green homes. Green cars. Green jobs. Green commerce. Green living. Green government. We’ve just elected our first green president, Barack Obama, as well as numerous senators and local representatives who campaigned on promises of leading America to greener pastures. You can color our ­your­ future green.

The green vision goes something like this: we are going to live in a “sustainable” manner and be kind to the planet. We will shrink our carbon footprints, eventually becoming carbon neutral.

Greens aim to bring about their brave new world through federal law or local ordinance. But where that’s not practical, they’ll settle for inducing artificial shortages, pricing you out of your “bad” habits by hiking taxes and surcharges, or simply trying to condition you, and those around you, to believe you are engaging in an act of severe personal transgression.

Thinking globally and acting locally, we will stop climate change and protect wildlife and the wilderness from man’s destructive ways. We will end our addiction to oil by repowering America with clean, renewable energy; nay, we will reinvent energy. Our goal is a healthy and just planet where people live in harmony with nature.

But perhaps, unlike others in a mad rush to start bicycling, recycling, and carbon de-cycling, you’ve been distracted from the greening of America by the many other crises and controversies our nation is facing: the global financial meltdown, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Islamic terrorism, volatile gasoline prices, spiraling health care costs, illegal immigration, and so on. They are, indeed, a formidable lot. That said, it’s time you recognize that a great green tsunami is heading your way, threatening to wash away your standard of living and many of your liberties.

Like many Americans, your sense of the green movement may be that it simply advocates small lifestyle changes to benefit the environment. But the green agenda, in fact, is much more ambitious; it promotes countless new restrictions and regulations designed to reorder society from top to bottom.

And so the greens bombard us with an endless list of “dos” and “don’ts”: Take colder showers. Turn the heat down. Use less air conditioning. Dry your clothes on a clothesline. Drive small, fuel efficient vehicles or stop driving altogether. Avoid imported or non-locally grown food. Bring your own bags to the supermarket. Buy energy efficient lightbulbs. Lose weight. (Fat people allegedly use more gasoline.) Buy expensive “green” electricity. Shun bottled water and drive-thru restaurants. Use cloth diapers. Clean your house with “natural” products. Use a non-motorized push lawnmower. Pay more for “fair trade” coffee. Don’t use disposable cameras. Vacation closer to home.

All these admonitions have something in common — ­you living on a smaller, more inconvenient, more uncomfortable, more expensive, less enjoyable, and less hopeful scale. And the greens’ moral hectoring is just the beginning. Green ideologues are bursting with an impatient zeal to begin dictating, through force of law, your mobility, diet, home energy usage, the size of your house, how far you can travel, and even ­ how many children you can have.

You may be tempted to dismiss all this as a gross exaggeration. Make no mistake: living green is really about someone else microregulating you­ – downsizing your dreams and plugging each one of us into a brand new social order for which we never bargained. It’s about you living under the green thumb and having the boundaries of your life drawn by others.

The central concept of this book is that there is hardly any area of your life that the greens consider off-limits to intrusion. There is almost no personal behavior of yours that they consider too trivial or too sacrosanct to regulate.

Greens aim to bring about their brave new world through federal law or local ordinance. But where that’s not practical, they’ll settle for inducing artificial shortages, pricing you out of your “bad” habits by hiking taxes and surcharges, or simply trying to condition you, and those around you, to believe you are engaging in an act of severe personal transgression.

The greens justify all this as necessary to solve our alleged “planetary emergency.” But they don’t intend for you to live this downsized and penitent lifestyle for some finite period of time until the supposed crisis is over. It is to be a permanent restructuring of life as you know it.



America...Largest Coal Reserves in the WORLD
America...Maybe...2nd Largest Natural Gas Reserves in the WORLD?
America...A DAMN Large Reserve of Oil offshore of our continent


But We are going to be the America of:  Windmills, Solar Panels and Ethanol.
Who Voted for This Agenda Again?  Welcome to Change you can Believe in...

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Massive inflation looms over all of us, but Democrats just keep smiling and giving each other high-fives while Obama cranks out funny money like a counterfeiter on speed.

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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 10:21:36 PM »
April 6th, 2009 5:21 PM Eastern

Color Your Future Green: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life

By Steve Milloy
Publisher, JunkScience.com/Author, “Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them”


Move over red, white, and blue­, America is going green. Green energy. Green technology. Green homes. Green cars. Green jobs. Green commerce. Green living. Green government. We’ve just elected our first green president, Barack Obama, as well as numerous senators and local representatives who campaigned on promises of leading America to greener pastures. You can color our ­your­ future green.

The green vision goes something like this: we are going to live in a “sustainable” manner and be kind to the planet. We will shrink our carbon footprints, eventually becoming carbon neutral.

Greens aim to bring about their brave new world through federal law or local ordinance. But where that’s not practical, they’ll settle for inducing artificial shortages, pricing you out of your “bad” habits by hiking taxes and surcharges, or simply trying to condition you, and those around you, to believe you are engaging in an act of severe personal transgression.

Thinking globally and acting locally, we will stop climate change and protect wildlife and the wilderness from man’s destructive ways. We will end our addiction to oil by repowering America with clean, renewable energy; nay, we will reinvent energy. Our goal is a healthy and just planet where people live in harmony with nature.

But perhaps, unlike others in a mad rush to start bicycling, recycling, and carbon de-cycling, you’ve been distracted from the greening of America by the many other crises and controversies our nation is facing: the global financial meltdown, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Islamic terrorism, volatile gasoline prices, spiraling health care costs, illegal immigration, and so on. They are, indeed, a formidable lot. That said, it’s time you recognize that a great green tsunami is heading your way, threatening to wash away your standard of living and many of your liberties.

Like many Americans, your sense of the green movement may be that it simply advocates small lifestyle changes to benefit the environment. But the green agenda, in fact, is much more ambitious; it promotes countless new restrictions and regulations designed to reorder society from top to bottom.

And so the greens bombard us with an endless list of “dos” and “don’ts”: Take colder showers. Turn the heat down. Use less air conditioning. Dry your clothes on a clothesline. Drive small, fuel efficient vehicles or stop driving altogether. Avoid imported or non-locally grown food. Bring your own bags to the supermarket. Buy energy efficient lightbulbs. Lose weight. (Fat people allegedly use more gasoline.) Buy expensive “green” electricity. Shun bottled water and drive-thru restaurants. Use cloth diapers. Clean your house with “natural” products. Use a non-motorized push lawnmower. Pay more for “fair trade” coffee. Don’t use disposable cameras. Vacation closer to home.

All these admonitions have something in common — ­you living on a smaller, more inconvenient, more uncomfortable, more expensive, less enjoyable, and less hopeful scale. And the greens’ moral hectoring is just the beginning. Green ideologues are bursting with an impatient zeal to begin dictating, through force of law, your mobility, diet, home energy usage, the size of your house, how far you can travel, and even ­ how many children you can have.

You may be tempted to dismiss all this as a gross exaggeration. Make no mistake: living green is really about someone else microregulating you­ – downsizing your dreams and plugging each one of us into a brand new social order for which we never bargained. It’s about you living under the green thumb and having the boundaries of your life drawn by others.

The central concept of this book is that there is hardly any area of your life that the greens consider off-limits to intrusion. There is almost no personal behavior of yours that they consider too trivial or too sacrosanct to regulate.

Greens aim to bring about their brave new world through federal law or local ordinance. But where that’s not practical, they’ll settle for inducing artificial shortages, pricing you out of your “bad” habits by hiking taxes and surcharges, or simply trying to condition you, and those around you, to believe you are engaging in an act of severe personal transgression.

The greens justify all this as necessary to solve our alleged “planetary emergency.” But they don’t intend for you to live this downsized and penitent lifestyle for some finite period of time until the supposed crisis is over. It is to be a permanent restructuring of life as you know it.



America...Largest Coal Reserves in the WORLD
America...Maybe...2nd Largest Natural Gas Reserves in the WORLD?
America...A DAMN Large Reserve of Oil offshore of our continent


But We are going to be the America of:  Windmills, Solar Panels and Ethanol.
Who Voted for This Agenda Again?  Welcome to Change you can Believe in...

 :beer2:


Wow, you sound jaded -  exactly what is wrong if I decide I want to put 50 windmills on my farm and sell electricty?  Some would call that entrepenuership, capitalism and the american way.  I guess doin it the same way cuzz thats the way we've always done it is best.  Didn't the redcoats stand in a line in the open cuzz thats how they always did it? 

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 08:03:32 AM »
Simply disgusting...

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Oil producing nations such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, along with Venezuela, will grow rich while Americans will be faced with high costs for gasoline, motor and heating oil, and everything else that depends on oil such as asphalt or even Vaseline.

Meanwhile, oil producers in America, large and small, will take a financial beating. If you don't like living in a modern, advanced and industrialized society, you will favor this. If you think Americans consume too much, drive too much, and deserve to be punished for it, you will favor this.

Recently, Barry Russell, the president of the Independent Petroleum Association of America, released a statement in which he said, "President Obama delivered a devastating blow to the American oil and natural gas industry by proposing an astonishing $30 billion tax increase (as part of his FY 2010 budget) on American energy producers, most of whom are small businesses."

"Ninety percent of the oil and natural gas wells developed in the United States are done by small, independent businesses—not so called 'Big Oil'—so tax increases hurt these companies most." It also, of course, hurts any prospect for the discovery and production of new sources of oil and natural gas in America.

In a world where more oil and natural gas is required by developing nations such as India and China, the Obama administration proposes:

(1)  A repeal of expensing of intangible drilling costs; a repeal of percentage depletion that allows for the depreciation of existing small, barely economic wells;

(2)  A repeal of marginal well tax credit, a safety net for wells that produce small amounts of oil and gas that, collectively, supply almost 20% of the nation's oil and 12% of its gas;

(3) A repeal of the enhanced oil recovery credit that allows industry to get more energy from wells that are depleted instead of drilling new wells;

(4) Increases the costs of geological and geophysical amortization costs involving the high cost of doing seismic and other high-tech surveys;

(5) An excise tax on Gulf of Mexico production;

(6) And a repeal of the manufacturing tax deduction, a provision given to every other American manufacturer and which allows independent oil and natural gas producers to put more money into new energy projects.


It is a plan to destroy the American oil and natural gas industry, and with it the nation's economy.

Right now, however, the Obama administration has installed an "energy team" that is completely opposed to the development of any energy resources in America, from offshore and ANWR oil to coal mining or the construction of coal-fired plants to generate electricity. Coal currently produces 50% of the nation's electricity.

Steven Chu, the Secretary of Energy, is on record saying, "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." It is $8 a gallon there.

Ken Salazar, the Secretary of the Interior, the agency that administers energy leasing on federal lands and most offshore areas, has a long record of opposition to such leasing of oil, natural gas, and coal exploration and extraction. He has already nullified recently awarded leases for natural gas drilling in federal land in Utah. Salazar is responsible for legislation blocking the development of shale oil.

Obama's science advisor, John Holdren, out-does Al Gore with predictions of global warming calamities. Back in the 1970s he was worrying whether mankind would survive the "threat of making the planet too cold."

Meanwhile, Wall Street is watching investment drop like a stone as Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, testifies that U.S. oil and natural gas producing companies should not receive federal subsidies in the form of tax breaks because their businesses contribute to global warming!


This attack on energy companies and access to energy resources in America is a formula for failure.
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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 08:14:50 AM »
I didn't read any of it, I'm still in shock that schoolmarm is back.

I did my part today. I voted "Re-pubic-an"  :smartass:

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 08:40:38 AM »
New green named after 'The Chosen One' - - I saw crack named after him a few months ago, took a little time to cure the Obama dank, I guess.

Had a rental car last week and found a disc in it... Full of 'hardcore rap' and no less than 7-8 tracks on it mentioning the 'NEW GREEN' LOL! The car was a Chrysler 300 - GO FIGURE!



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According to Perezhilton.com there is a new , very special, type of medical marijuana… Just like everything else in America these days, it is named after our president.  Now if they really want to bank on this special product they will legalize it, not only making millions of Americans happy as can be but saving our economy as well…  Not to mention that Obama would have the vote of every stoner in America.

 Its not like any of their other ” save the economy” plans have worked, why not give it a shot?!
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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 09:26:43 AM »
New green named after 'The Chosen One' - - I saw crack named after him a few months ago, took a little time to cure the Obama dank, I guess.

Had a rental car last week and found a disc in it... Full of 'hardcore rap' and no less than 7-8 tracks on it mentioning the 'NEW GREEN' LOL! The car was a Chrysler 300 - GO FIGURE!



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According to Perezhilton.com there is a new , very special, type of medical marijuana… Just like everything else in America these days, it is named after our president.  Now if they really want to bank on this special product they will legalize it, not only making millions of Americans happy as can be but saving our economy as well…  Not to mention that Obama would have the vote of every stoner in America.

 Its not like any of their other ” save the economy” plans have worked, why not give it a shot?!

After all these years of opra-ession, we finally get to see white slavery, it's called the Obama Budget.  :ranting:

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 09:27:10 AM »
I like Green Snowmobiles.  :beer2:
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 09:45:26 AM »
Simply disgusting...

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Oil producing nations such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, along with Venezuela, will grow rich while Americans will be faced with high costs for gasoline, motor and heating oil, and everything else that depends on oil such as asphalt or even Vaseline.

Meanwhile, oil producers in America, large and small, will take a financial beating. If you don't like living in a modern, advanced and industrialized society, you will favor this. If you think Americans consume too much, drive too much, and deserve to be punished for it, you will favor this.

Recently, Barry Russell, the president of the Independent Petroleum Association of America, released a statement in which he said, "President Obama delivered a devastating blow to the American oil and natural gas industry by proposing an astonishing $30 billion tax increase (as part of his FY 2010 budget) on American energy producers, most of whom are small businesses."

"Ninety percent of the oil and natural gas wells developed in the United States are done by small, independent businesses—not so called 'Big Oil'—so tax increases hurt these companies most." It also, of course, hurts any prospect for the discovery and production of new sources of oil and natural gas in America.

In a world where more oil and natural gas is required by developing nations such as India and China, the Obama administration proposes:

(1)  A repeal of expensing of intangible drilling costs; a repeal of percentage depletion that allows for the depreciation of existing small, barely economic wells;

(2)  A repeal of marginal well tax credit, a safety net for wells that produce small amounts of oil and gas that, collectively, supply almost 20% of the nation's oil and 12% of its gas;

(3) A repeal of the enhanced oil recovery credit that allows industry to get more energy from wells that are depleted instead of drilling new wells;

(4) Increases the costs of geological and geophysical amortization costs involving the high cost of doing seismic and other high-tech surveys;

(5) An excise tax on Gulf of Mexico production;

(6) And a repeal of the manufacturing tax deduction, a provision given to every other American manufacturer and which allows independent oil and natural gas producers to put more money into new energy projects.


It is a plan to destroy the American oil and natural gas industry, and with it the nation's economy.

Right now, however, the Obama administration has installed an "energy team" that is completely opposed to the development of any energy resources in America, from offshore and ANWR oil to coal mining or the construction of coal-fired plants to generate electricity. Coal currently produces 50% of the nation's electricity.

Steven Chu, the Secretary of Energy, is on record saying, "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." It is $8 a gallon there.

Ken Salazar, the Secretary of the Interior, the agency that administers energy leasing on federal lands and most offshore areas, has a long record of opposition to such leasing of oil, natural gas, and coal exploration and extraction. He has already nullified recently awarded leases for natural gas drilling in federal land in Utah. Salazar is responsible for legislation blocking the development of shale oil.

Obama's science advisor, John Holdren, out-does Al Gore with predictions of global warming calamities. Back in the 1970s he was worrying whether mankind would survive the "threat of making the planet too cold."

Meanwhile, Wall Street is watching investment drop like a stone as Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, testifies that U.S. oil and natural gas producing companies should not receive federal subsidies in the form of tax breaks because their businesses contribute to global warming!


This attack on energy companies and access to energy resources in America is a formula for failure.

Windmill project is nearing completion, solar is working great and the summer rubber is back on the hybrid... :whistle:




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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 10:03:27 AM »
And so the greens bombard us with an endless list of “dos” and “don’ts”: Take colder showers. Turn the heat down. Use less air conditioning. Dry your clothes on a clothesline. Drive small, fuel efficient vehicles or stop driving altogether. Avoid imported or non-locally grown food. Bring your own bags to the supermarket. Buy energy efficient lightbulbs. Lose weight. (Fat people allegedly use more gasoline.) Buy expensive “green” electricity. Shun bottled water and drive-thru restaurants. Use cloth diapers. Clean your house with “natural” products. Use a non-motorized push lawnmower. Pay more for “fair trade” coffee. Don’t use disposable cameras. Vacation closer to home.

All these admonitions have something in common — ­you living on a smaller, more inconvenient, more uncomfortable, more expensive, less enjoyable, and less hopeful scale. And the greens’ moral hectoring is just the beginning. Green ideologues are bursting with an impatient zeal to begin dictating, through force of law, your mobility, diet, home energy usage, the size of your house, how far you can travel, and even ­ how many children you can have.

TFF Marmy, I'm at about 90% of that list...been that way since I was a kid.  It's called growing up poor arzehat, you learn to moderate your consumption based on your available income to pay.  Something definitely forgotten with many of Americans today, the I deserve of our society. 

Keep turning up Rush and ordering the number 10's at Mickey D's... :no2:

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 10:12:37 AM »
And so the greens bombard us with an endless list of “dos” and “don’ts”: Take colder showers. Turn the heat down. Use less air conditioning. Dry your clothes on a clothesline. Drive small, fuel efficient vehicles or stop driving altogether. Avoid imported or non-locally grown food. Bring your own bags to the supermarket. Buy energy efficient lightbulbs. Lose weight. (Fat people allegedly use more gasoline.) Buy expensive “green” electricity. Shun bottled water and drive-thru restaurants. Use cloth diapers. Clean your house with “natural” products. Use a non-motorized push lawnmower. Pay more for “fair trade” coffee. Don’t use disposable cameras. Vacation closer to home.

All these admonitions have something in common — ­you living on a smaller, more inconvenient, more uncomfortable, more expensive, less enjoyable, and less hopeful scale. And the greens’ moral hectoring is just the beginning. Green ideologues are bursting with an impatient zeal to begin dictating, through force of law, your mobility, diet, home energy usage, the size of your house, how far you can travel, and even ­ how many children you can have.

TFF Marmy, I'm at about 90% of that list...been that way since I was a kid.  It's called growing up poor arzehat, you learn to moderate your consumption based on your available income to pay.  Something definitely forgotten with many of Americans today, the I deserve of our society. 

Keep turning up Rush and ordering the number 10's at Mickey D's... :no2:
It's one thing Jim, doing it because you want to, but being forced into it is a completely different territory. I do my part to cut back but only because I want to, not because I'm forced to. It makes sense to find alternative heat sources, run better mpg autos, alternative electric supplies, etc., but it should be a personal decision, not some commie negro's (<---not what I'd really like to call him) decission. Last I knew we still lived in the USA, at least for the time being. I feel a name change is also under way.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 10:31:36 AM »
It's one thing Jim, doing it because you want to, but being forced into it is a completely different territory. I do my part to cut back but only because I want to, not because I'm forced to. It makes sense to find alternative heat sources, run better mpg autos, alternative electric supplies, etc., but it should be a personal decision, not some commie negro's (<---not what I'd really like to call him) decission. Last I knew we still lived in the USA, at least for the time being. I feel a name change is also under way.

Forced, TFF Vince...we are in the midst of a recession brought on by everyone that "feels" they deserve.  The house we live in we purchased 4 years ago, at the time based on our incomes we could have purchased a house three times the cost.  We did the responsible thing, lived within our means and thankfully so with the current status.  Face the facts, most in our society are not responsible and force is the lowest common demonimator most understand.

I do not disagree with you regarding the President, his administration is real trouble IMO... :help:


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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 10:41:06 AM »
It's one thing Jim, doing it because you want to, but being forced into it is a completely different territory. I do my part to cut back but only because I want to, not because I'm forced to. It makes sense to find alternative heat sources, run better mpg autos, alternative electric supplies, etc., but it should be a personal decision, not some commie negro's (<---not what I'd really like to call him) decission. Last I knew we still lived in the USA, at least for the time being. I feel a name change is also under way.

Forced, TFF Vince...we are in the midst of a recession brought on by everyone that "feels" they deserve.  The house we live in we purchased 4 years ago, at the time based on our incomes we could have purchased a house three times the cost.  We did the responsible thing, lived within our means and thankfully so with the current status.  Face the facts, most in our society are not responsible and force is the lowest common demonimator most understand.

I do not disagree with you regarding the President, his administration is real trouble IMO... :help:


Huh? What does people living beyond their means have to do with the green agenda being forced on us by a radical government. You lost me there.


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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 10:48:27 AM »
It's one thing Jim, doing it because you want to, but being forced into it is a completely different territory. I do my part to cut back but only because I want to, not because I'm forced to. It makes sense to find alternative heat sources, run better mpg autos, alternative electric supplies, etc., but it should be a personal decision, not some commie negro's (<---not what I'd really like to call him) decission. Last I knew we still lived in the USA, at least for the time being. I feel a name change is also under way.

Forced, TFF Vince...we are in the midst of a recession brought on by everyone that "feels" they deserve.  The house we live in we purchased 4 years ago, at the time based on our incomes we could have purchased a house three times the cost.  We did the responsible thing, lived within our means and thankfully so with the current status.  Face the facts, most in our society are not responsible and force is the lowest common demonimator most understand.

I do not disagree with you regarding the President, his administration is real trouble IMO... :help:


Huh? What does people living beyond their means have to do with the green agenda being forced on us by a radical government. You lost me there.



Conservation... :smartass:

The question IMO is what is wrong with being green?  If you can save a fraction of consumption over millions of households it has to be good, no?   :shrug:


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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 10:56:01 AM »
It's one thing Jim, doing it because you want to, but being forced into it is a completely different territory. I do my part to cut back but only because I want to, not because I'm forced to. It makes sense to find alternative heat sources, run better mpg autos, alternative electric supplies, etc., but it should be a personal decision, not some commie negro's (<---not what I'd really like to call him) decission. Last I knew we still lived in the USA, at least for the time being. I feel a name change is also under way.

Forced, TFF Vince...we are in the midst of a recession brought on by everyone that "feels" they deserve.  The house we live in we purchased 4 years ago, at the time based on our incomes we could have purchased a house three times the cost.  We did the responsible thing, lived within our means and thankfully so with the current status.  Face the facts, most in our society are not responsible and force is the lowest common demonimator most understand.

I do not disagree with you regarding the President, his administration is real trouble IMO... :help:


Huh? What does people living beyond their means have to do with the green agenda being forced on us by a radical government. You lost me there.



Conservation... :smartass:

The question IMO is what is wrong with being green?  If you can save a fraction of consumption over millions of households it has to be good, no?   :shrug:


but we've been thru most of the green arguments, for the most part being green costs more on the whole...  how is that conservation??  being poor is about the dollars, not the environment...

i'm not saying we should conserve, but given a choice between food and energy conservation, food simply wins...  its just simple economics...
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Re: Welcome to GREEN HELL
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 11:11:40 AM »
but we've been thru most of the green arguments, for the most part being green costs more on the whole...  how is that conservation??  being poor is about the dollars, not the environment...

i'm not saying we should conserve, but given a choice between food and energy conservation, food simply wins...  its just simple economics...

We all see things differently, that's not a bad thing.  But "green" doesn't cost more and actually pays back over the lifetime of the product/widget/etc.  Your Ford blinders are blocking the big picture Tony... :whistle:

Every hear of returns on investment (ROI)?  We should all be running those non efficient furnaces & water heaters, single pane glass in our windows and who needs installation in the attic?  An initial investment into new "technologies" is made that pays the user back over the lifetime of the product.  Look at the big picture, not just to the tip of your nose...:biggrin: